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HAHA - April 12, 2009, 1:45 am,
Where is the change a**hole.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 2:04 am,
Socialism is definitely a change. So is a major weakening of our national defense. Also, there is no need for a personal attack on the President. Attack the positions but don't lower yourself to the level of the stupid Bush bashers.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 11:55 am,
WTFO, we share te same views on a lot of social/economic issues... and I may be even more radical than you ar on a few, but you have to show some open-minded consideration. 3 months into office, and you are convinced he's ruined the country?
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 11:58 am,
You have seriously narrow blinders on if you don't see the "policies" that need repair from the last administration. Serious patching of foreign relations and domestic policy. Socialism is a good battle-cry, but it is far from reality.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 12:00 pm,
Likening it to the abortion issue, if certain corporations continuously behave in a manner that ruins the domestic economy, then some control has to be taken over the irresponsible companies... they won't fix themselves if they're profitting.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 12:03 pm,
As far as kissing foreign a**, Obama is doing that. However, it is a double-edged sword as well... look at the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Give them a chance for peaceful resolutions. If they balk, call in the military and fix their wagon permanently.
Haarakkon - April 12, 2009, 12:08 pm,
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:47 pm,
Fair point AD, but I respectfully disagree. The perception is that we've pissed off the entire world by going into Iraq. The reality is that 39 other nations went with us. Liberals equate "the world" with the corrupt decisions coming out of the U.N.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:49 pm,
His admin has turned sharply on the Global War on Terror. He is moving back to treating terrorism as a police action (like was done in the 90s). That was a complete failure and resulted in the emboldening of Al Qaida which led to 9-11. Usama bin Laden
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:50 pm,
specifically pointed out the US's weakness after Clinton pulled us out of Somalia. Now look at the state of that country. We have an American shipping captain being held for ransom by pirates/terrorists. Before this week, a US flagged ship hadn't been
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:52 pm,
attacked by pirates since 1804, because we sent the marines in and fixed that problem. These pirates, Iran, Kim Jong Il, Russia, and Al Qaida do not fear Obama because he has already shown in the 1st 3 months that he is an appeaser. He fundamentally does
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:53 pm,
not understand their cultures and how his approaches are viewed as weakness to be exploited. You used the Israeli/Palistine as an example. Look back on their conflicts. They reach temporary peace only after Hamas is badly damaged and can't effectively
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:55 pm,
attack Israeli civilians any more. The peace lasts long enough for them to rebuild their weapon stock piles again and the peace treaty is broken. BHO is ignoring these facts at the risk of US lives. His a** kissing is useless because he does not have the
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:56 pm,
will to use the military. Again the Somali pirates prove that since he isn't letting the Navy in the area handle the situation, he's sent in FBI negotiators. The US doesn't not negotiate with terrorists (until now). This is because if you negotiate with
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 12:58 pm,
them, it encourages them to attack other Americans. I hope for the best with the man they are holding, but BHO's actions are putting more Americans at risk from the same fate. He also closed down GITMO, the media skipped over the fact that GITMO had a
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:00 pm,
report come out 1 or 2 weeks after his decision that stated that the prison meets ALL Geneva Convention rqmts. His admin won't even use the GWOT phrase; it is now an "overseas contingency operation" and his Homeland security head says there are no more
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:01 pm,
terrorists attacks; they are "man-caused disasters". Boy, I feel safer now that there's no more GWOT or terrorists attacks! Call it whatever you like, radical Islam is still at war with us but this admin is ignoring it at great risk to human life.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:03 pm,
As for socialism, I completely disagreed with Pres Bush and the first TARP. The core problem wasn't CEOs being greedy. It was due to their involvement with govt. The banks lobby Congress for favorable laws and the ignorant Congress say okay but you have
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:05 pm,
to give mortgage loans to those who can't afford it. The auto CEOs (including the one Pres Obama FIRED!) didn't run thier companies into the ground because of thier greed. The US govt made them make eco-friendly hybrid cars that they've never been able to
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:05 pm,
Again, WTFO, your argument is solid and I agree... to an extent. Our economy is in bad shape. It has to be fixed. You may not like the spending, but it will help get the economy rolling again. As always, it's been the Democrat's stance
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:06 pm,
turn a profit on since Toyota has that part of the market cornered. The govt backing of the auto union also destroyed the industry. US auto makers pay $75 per hr per employee because of the benefits unions have greedily taken over the years. Foreign auto
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:07 pm,
to foresake military build-up in favor of economic revitalization. It is the Republican's duty to build military and refresh national security. One can't exist without the other, nor can both exist simultaneously... there just isn't enough money for it,
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:08 pm,
companies operating in the US pay only $45 per hr. It's almost impossible to be profitable when your overhead costs are that high. That is business 101, unfortunately, Congress if full of lawyers and life long politicians.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:09 pm,
Sorry for the long rant, but I wanted to provide some the evidence (yes, there is more believe it or not) I base my opinions on. I do not see the world with blinders, narrow or otherwise.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:09 pm,
if you want to do either correctly. Now, as far as GITMO, I am all for non-american soil detention, torture and even the CIA safehouses... and they should be run with limited or no accountability to congress. One item I disagree with you about is Bush's
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:11 pm,
Sorry, I just caught up to your counter points. I don't believe that spending taxpayer dollars will fix the economy. That is a fundamental disagreement in philosophy between Dems and Reps. In simplest terms (for me) it's the difference between giving a
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:11 pm,
policy regarding terrorists. If you do take the mideast culture and mindset into consideration, you know that calling them "evil" is not how you win over the citizens of Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. You play right into their Govt's propoganda.
BoneCD - April 12, 2009, 1:12 pm,
Personally I could not had said it any better!
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:13 pm,
Secondly, "You're either with us, or against us" is not good. It can be an unspoken policy, but certainly not something you advertise. The war on terror that GW brought to the mideast was not that effective. In my opinion, you b***er up the country's
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:14 pm,
man a fish so he can eat today or teaching him to fish so he can eat for a lifetime. The govt's role (my position) in the economy is to defend the law and make sure Americans aren't being cheated. The govt has failed in that role for 20 yrs not to be a
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:14 pm,
nanny state giving money to the companies that are failing because of the govt's intervention into their businesses.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:15 pm,
leadership, play buddy-buddy with them, and work diplomatic solutions out that will allow you to correctly send in special forces to eliminate the terror threat, with everyone on your side. Behind-the-scenes politics are always the best launching pad for
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:16 pm,
this sort of goal. If they can't be persuaded, they can always be bought. Yes, we're more at risk, but this restructuring and revitalizing of foreign harmony needs to be accomplished before Republicans return to drop the hammer.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:19 pm,
I think you are right on point about foreign prisons, and doing what is necessary to defeat terrorism, but BHO is tearing all that down. I don't believe that GWB ever called the people of the Middle East evil, just the terrorists, insurgents and the evil
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:20 pm,
As far as the pirates go, it's all about money. Require all vessels flying an american flag to carry special forces on-board... and pay for them. It's cheaper for the company to pay for security than to shell out 50 million to pirates. In this recent case
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:21 pm,
leaders of those nations. While GWB came across strong with the "with us or against us" that was dropped right after 9-11 and it was an effective rally call. It should have been ammended in my opinion later to be "with us, against us or get the hell outta
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:21 pm,
the pirates would've been sunk on approach or sh** while attempting to board. As it stands, my view is to negotiate until you can get a force there to kill everyone... and continue to until they run from vessels flying our flag.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:23 pm,
our way". BHO's rapprachement policies will likely fail. The reason I say this is because "cordial relations" require both sides to want peace. That is not what our enemies want. When one side wants peace and the other is using that desire to take full
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:24 pm,
Understood, but that's not what works with those in the mideast... they don't respond like we do. Hamaas pays iraqis, palestinians, afghanis cash to rebuild their homes when damaged. It's an age-old mafia tactic that works. We can do it better if
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:24 pm,
advantage of the other side, we are actually engaging in appeasement. I fear the "Rep hammer" won't be used until after more Americans are killed because of BHO's weakness on the world stage.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:26 pm,
we sank money into rebuilding rather than hunting down terrorists. Do you not agree that citizens of the mideast will be more helpful if we build homes, factories and schools? If Hamaas keeps tearing them down, the people will want them gone.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:28 pm,
I had to stop to let you finish your thought. I agree that for the pirates it's about $, however we have military forces on scene that can handle the situation now, they are being restrained from D.C. Today the news says the pirates are heading towards
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:28 pm,
This may sound wrong, but sometimes you have to break a few eggs. In order for the world to engage a decisive war on terrorism, we need to show that diplomatic venues have been exhausted and rejected. Moreso, we keep building malls, theaters and fast
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:29 pm,
the Somali coast. If that happens we'll likely never see that man alive again. Your points on rebuilding are very valid and the fact that you mention them shows a serious problem with the media. We are currently engaging in that method of winning hearts
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:30 pm,
food locations there. It's not nice, but it's a fact that nothing is resistant to capitalism... consumership, choices, greed and gluttony... once it takes hold, nothing can reverse it.
Sean - April 12, 2009, 1:30 pm,
Hey agdaniele, who was it that said that "Politics is just war carried on by other means." Or was it "Diplomacy"? Anywho, carry on. Way to ramp it up a notch, intellectually speaking ....
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:31 pm,
and minds in Afghan and Iraq. We're building schools, business districts, farms, homes, parks, soccer fields, etc. The main stream media ignores these good deeds because it doesn't further their agenda nor does it get ratings like deaths do.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:32 pm,
WTFO, we could polarize a bar in a matter of 30 minutes with conversation like this. I love it!
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:34 pm,
Agreed about media, but that's all a matter of perspective. To me, as long as it stays under the radar, it's not as much of an international trophy to terrorists who want to use it as an example of american invasion of their country. No?
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:34 pm,
3000 "eggs" dying on 9-11 is enough for me. The short-term memory loss of this country makes me sick. 3000 more families shouldn't have to die to prod us to destroy an enemy that has no intention of ever ceasing their war on us. I agree we should engage
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:36 pm,
in diplomacy where appropriate, but Islamic terrorists don't want peace with us, they want us and the Jewish wiped off the planet. Negotiations are meaningless in that environment. They have to be eliminated. It'll take a long time but it is necessary in
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:37 pm,
I agree with the downplayed magnitude of the atrocity, but it kick-started a war on terror that otherwise would still be in it's infancy in comparison.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:37 pm,
my view so my son won't spend his life fighting this fight. I'd rather handle it now. BHO's appeasement dooms future Am. generations to fighting a reestablished and emboldened terrorist threat that we can keep on the ropes and keep them from gaining
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:38 pm,
strength if we keep the pressure on now.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:40 pm,
I've mentioned that I was in the Middle East last year, which is where a lot of my insight comes from. The media needed to show our good deeds here so the US public wouldn't get the perception that the military and GWB's admin weren't stomping around just
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:40 pm,
I respectfully agree and disagree. We need to lean on them, yes. But, let's show the world that we're trying to be diplomatic. I don't think it'd work in a million years....
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:42 pm,
murdering every one we saw. The media helped turn public opinion towards their own ideals which greatly helped BHO take office when he is clearly unqualified for the position. As for the muslim perspective on media reporting our rebuilding efforts. While
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:42 pm,
...but it must be done and "displayed" in order to have the world backing when we step up the war on terror... so we can say "we tried the nice way...." - diplomacy isn't the solution, but it's an important cobblestone in the path to their annihilation.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:43 pm,
some may not like us "invading" their country, they were already against us. The normal/average Iraqi/Afghani would have a higher opinion of US involvement if they could see how we are trying to help in these areas as well as how we are removing dangerous
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:43 pm,
terrorists from their countries.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:45 pm,
The terrorists can and will kill the innocent citizens... we won't. The terrorists, therefore, have the advantage. As I said, keep giving them all 4-bedroom homes and university-quality schools for all ages. They will eventually get sick of terrorists
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:46 pm,
The issue I take with your diplomacy approach is that we have openly tried these avenues before and they failed. I am uncomfortable with risking more American civilian deaths proving that the diplomacy method is a failure when we can crack a recent
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:46 pm,
when the destruction of their homes, schools and capitalist futures are repeatedly blown up. We need local cooperation for this to work. Takes time, but it'll work.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:47 pm,
history book and prove the point. 3000 more families (or maybe a higher number) should not be made to suffer the loss of a loved one so we can say to the world "told ya it don't work".
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:49 pm,
Your last to points are spot on, AD. That is exactly what we are doing right now, and it does take time. Unfortunately, Americans are so impatient that they get frustrated wait 2 mins for their h** Pocket to heat. Our enemy is patient and measure success
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:50 pm,
For now... or the next 5-10 years... when they want to hit us again, they will. There is no amount of military or diplomatic action that will prevent it. It's up to the NSA, among others, to protect us.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:51 pm,
in centuries, Americans want success in months. Our enemies will sacrifice thousands of innocents to get a handfull of us and are willing to use women and children as human shields (yes, they've already done that). After a US raid on insurgents, remaining
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:53 pm,
terrorists have killed women and children in the village thrown their bodies into the raided bldg and put film on the internet claiming the US military did this. See all this, I have no room in my mind or heart to engage in discussions with these animals
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:54 pm,
I only have a strong desire to exterminate these radical Islamic terrorists and their "holy" leaders who preach violence and death to the US and Israel.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:55 pm,
NSA can't protect us if BHO takes away the wire ***s. Also, GWB's policies of engaging the enemy on their sand versus our land has been effective in protecting American soil for 7 yrs. We need to keep the battlespace in the Middle East or they will bring
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:56 pm,
it back here. Great discussion though, AD. It's a pleasure as always, bud. v/r.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:57 pm,
Our goals and hopes are the same. However, I see the practical approach. Like I said, it'll allow us to say "Hey, UN, we gave them every chance at the tables to make peace" -- and when we start going at the terrorists real hard, the world will be in sync.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 1:58 pm,
Thanks, WTFO... I like when my point of view is swayed on things I'd normally disagree with.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 1:59 pm,
You give the U.N. much more credit than I do, my friend. That place is the most corrupt place on Earth in my mind. I'm in support of the US pulling completely out of there and restarting a new org with countries that truly care about peace, freedom,
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 2:00 pm,
justice, etc. Without the US, the U.N. will fold under the weight of its own problems. Also, without our military, there will be no teeth left at the U.N.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 2:03 pm,
I agree with you completely in regards to the UN. However, you have to look at it outside the box. If the world sees you trying to be diplomatic instead of just resorting to military solutions, they will be more cooperative when you end up bombing them
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 2:06 pm,
into oblivion. 1) Diplomacy will never work 2) They will hit us again either way. With our diplomacy rejected, and pissed on, the world will be on our side. That is important when it comes to a probable invasion by our forces.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 2:06 pm,
Too funny. "cooperative when you end up bombing them". I can tell you that we have a lot of support from a large number of countries, in Afghan and Iraq. Some open support others behind the scenes because their leaders are too afraid of public opinion of
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 2:08 pm,
supporting the US but they know steps are necessary to keep their countries safe from terrorism. We had our diplomacy pissed on we engaged the enemy and the media and dishonest liberals (across the world) turned several folks away from our side.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 2:10 pm,
I find no fault in that logic. Then again, I was pointing toward a Desert Storm-style coalition effort against the terrorists. I figure you'd have active support from otherwise "closet" supporters if you show them the impotence of diplomacy first.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 2:14 pm,
I'm simply saying that you can do a lot more, and a lot worse things if you've exhausted all nice-guy efforts.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 2:37 pm,
I totally agree with exhausting all "nice-guy" efforts. Our disagreement is that I believe we have already exhausted those efforts and I'm not will to risk lives to revisit those mistakes with this enemy.
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 2:50 pm,
We have exhausted them, essentially, but not in full-view of the world community. It's just for appearance. Shuts up the domestic no-war at any cost liberal pussies, too. I don't want another 9/11 either, but this time, it'll be more universally justified
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 7:22 pm,
Regarding the pirates, Pres Obama took the correct action today by letting the Navy SOF take care of those bastards. 3 head sh**s. Outstanding. Hopefully this action will prevent other Somali pirates from touching a US flagged ship. Good job Mr. President
Sean - April 12, 2009, 7:45 pm,
Uhm, WTFO. I have it on good authority that your President only reads MY comments when he's on Motifake ... so I'll tell him you said that. Bye.
Sean - April 12, 2009, 7:53 pm,
Hey Prez O., WTFO sez "great job" and can you please help him with his "Ninja problem" (sic.).
Porcelina - April 12, 2009, 7:57 pm,
Please go see the thread ''Enough is Enough''
agdaniele - April 12, 2009, 9:36 pm,
WTFO... wasn't it nice? Nicely "executed" as well. Although, I'm still not happy about allowing one pirate to live. It reduces the fear factor.
WTFO - April 12, 2009, 11:25 pm,
I disagree, you have to let one live so if we ever let him see the light of day again he can relay the story of what a 50 Cal bullet can do to a pirate's skull.
Gillian - April 17, 2009, 3:32 pm,
Great another black dude asking for my change
Gillian - April 17, 2009, 3:32 pm,
Great another black dude asking for my change
Pabbicus - August 21, 2009, 11:50 pm,
The Jews in Israel aren't the "Good guys" any more than the americans who firebombed Japanese residential districts and sh** surrendering enemies in WW2 were the "Good Guys," everyone in every war has done bad things, and the jews are 100% no exception.
WTFO - August 23, 2009, 6:15 pm,
Pab, I'm not sure where the attack on Israel and WW2 vets came from. Are you saying that Israel doesn't have the right to defend themselves from Hamas suicide bombers, mortar fire and kidnappings? I think less civilians would be injured in Palastine if
WTFO - August 23, 2009, 6:15 pm,
the terrorists wouldn't hide among women and children.
CANADA - September 18, 2009, 1:11 am,
i love this poster
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:17 am,
Sounds like a familiar tactic.
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 1:17 am,
Unfortunately, all elections have seem to degenerate to this level.
Sean - September 18, 2009, 1:22 am,
Ah c'mon, have you seen his opponent's values? They are written out on posted notes that have been slapped to a revolving door.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:23 am,
I guess yelling at a town hall meeting to break it up instead of debating is different. Or, like shouting at the POTUS during a speech. That's how you change things.
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 1:32 am,
While I don't agree with shouting down people at the town halls, many are asking questions and being ignored or insulted by the elected officials: --That didn't look like an angry mob. Just a ja****s politician.
Sean - September 18, 2009, 1:32 am,
Had McCain said "Fu*c*k the base. Those douchebags ain't voting for Obama anyway, and then stayed true to himself, by say, calling torture torture and just being McCain, he mighta won the d*** election. Would have done better anyway.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:33 am,
AND had anyone but Palin. She didn't help reel in the middle-road republican vote, nor conservative dems.
Sean - September 18, 2009, 1:35 am,
She drove thinking Republicans away in droves ... or Ford Explorers as the case may be.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:35 am,
I dealt with McCain for 3 days when I worked at Mandalay Bay. He is very scrambled in the head. You'd be amazed. I don't know what's giving him the clarity he shows on TV, but in person, it was rough.
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 1:36 am,
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 1:36 am,
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 1:36 am,
cherry......shame on you Aggy.
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 1:38 am,
With a failing economy and 8 years of visceral personal attacks, hate and often lies. Add to that most TV media outlets completely in the tank for Dems. The Reps could have put anyone up and they would have lost to anyone the Dems put up.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:40 am,
I'm too old for chery. Key lime, dammit!
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 1:40 am,
Like one of my posters states, my silver lining is that it takes a Carter to get a Reagan. I just hope someone is up to the task to correct the serious mistakes going on. (That includes the bailouts that Bush started).
Sean - September 18, 2009, 1:41 am,
And bang on truth. Lots of that. And the exposure of countless Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld lies. So don't discount the huge hole the Fake Republican Administration dug for itself.
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 1:41 am,
We'll blend it up really good for you aggy....and you can drink it through a straw before nap time.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 1:50 am,
Melikes blender pies!
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 1:56 am,
How about blender cow pies?.....cuz that's what I think a politifake might taste like.....1 BTW.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 2:04 am,
Bean pie!
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 2:05 am,
MEXICAN PIE 1 lb. hamburger 1/2 c. chopped onion 1 env. (1 1/4 oz.) taco seasoning mix 1 can (4 oz.) whole green chilies, chopped and drained 1 c. shredded Monterey Jack cheese (4 oz.) 1 1/4 c. milk 3/4 c. Bisquick mix 3 eggs 1/8 tsp. red pepper sauce
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 2:06 am,
That's a family secret!!!!
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 2:06 am,
Heat oven to 400, grease pie pan. Cook hamburger and onion and drain. Stir in seasoning mix, put mixture into pie pan. Sprinkle with chilies and cheese. Beat remaining ingredients until smooth. Pour in pie pan. Bake 30 minutes or until knife comes out cle
Mooooooooooooooooooo - September 18, 2009, 2:07 am,
Mexican one tortilla between two tortillas.....done.
agdaniele - September 18, 2009, 2:14 am,
I shouldn't be salivating. Dammit, ese!
Paul Kondor Poduszlo - September 18, 2009, 11:10 pm,
This poster gave the Obama campaign too much credit. They didn't use the Republican's values against them. They misinterpreted the Republican's values outright. McCain actually gave a speech warning of the real estate market's ways before it collapsed;
Paul Kondor Poduszlo - September 18, 2009, 11:11 pm,
but his concerns were ignored. Then the Obama campaign simply pretended McCain never did this, blamed the recession on Bush, and then unfairly linked McCain to Bush. McCain was actually ahead in most polls before the economic collapse.
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 11:15 pm,
Sean, why is it okay for you to call Bush a liar but when Obama is called out for lying to Congress and the public, there's huge outcry. You can't prove any of the left's claim for lies. Don't be such a hater, bud.
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 11:17 pm,
DB, in some cases yes conservatives use this. Over the last 2 elections the Dems gained power by standing against anything Bush stood for. That's not a position but an opposition and it worked for them. Partly due to media claims of Reps as lying on Iraq.
Bartimaeus - September 18, 2009, 11:21 pm,
How do you tell when a politician is lying?...He wins the election. Waka! waka! waka! All politicians lie, because people will only vote for perfection; It's do or die, a leader can never say "try."
Sean - September 18, 2009, 11:21 pm,
Again, you change the subject. Bush and his cronies played fast and loose with the "truth" so as to start an endless war. Obama is your president, not mine. Seems to be kind of a dud to me at this point.
MO - September 18, 2009, 11:23 pm,
Momma said politicians are so onry cause they gots all them toofs and no.....PUMPKIN PIE!!!!!!!
Sean - September 18, 2009, 11:23 pm,
Thanks B. Great timing. But back away from the intended hyperbole of your comment and I agree. Can you even get 1 vote by telling the voters the truth? "I ain't kissin' that thing, lady, your baby is hideous."
Sean - September 18, 2009, 11:24 pm,
A voter is but an middle aged lady who wants to know one thing: "Do these pants make me look fat?"
MO - September 18, 2009, 11:26 pm,
Not so much the pants as the wabbit suit....that my dear doesn't do that bodonkadonk any justice at all.......
WTFO - September 18, 2009, 11:28 pm,
Quite right, Bart. Sean, did you see the intel that both Congress and Pres Bush did when they agreed to kick Saddam's a**? No? I saw some, so your and the far-left's accusations of "lying" are the actual lies here.
Sean - September 18, 2009, 11:59 pm,
Do you even know what the word lie means? I doubt it. And I can a**uure you that I am not the least bit offended at being called a liar by you. And the administration that leaks the identity of a CIA agent out of sheer malace is sure to leak ...
Sean - September 19, 2009, 12:00 am,
any intel that would be to its advantage. Yet no such self serving leaks. So can the compelling yet can't be disclosed intel crap. They ran with the spin they could spin, and you got a war without an exit strategy.
WTFO - September 19, 2009, 12:02 am,
Again you claim to know what is in the minds of those you accuse of lying and leaking a CIA agent. You a**ume intent vs having facts. Not trying to call you a liar, just that you are spreading the far-lefts lies they used to get power.
WTFO - September 19, 2009, 12:04 am,
Agree on the exit strategy to a degree, but you can't work on arbitrary timelines without meeting specific goals first or Iraq would fail. That classified "intel crap" protects lives and is endangered if the enemy learns sources and methods. The intel was
WTFO - September 19, 2009, 12:06 am,
there, whether you like it or not. It wasn't just the US intel, China, Israel, France, UK, and even Canadian intel agreed on Iraq. So enough with the slander about lies and spin. For those of us who understand it's a tired/false argument, you can't prove.
Sean - September 19, 2009, 12:10 am,
Whether there was other intel, the stuff that was advanced publically -- yellow cake, aluminium tubes, etc., we know where the WMD's are -- turned out to be pure bull*sh*it. So now we are being asked to believe that there's some super-secret stuff
Sean - September 19, 2009, 12:12 am,
that no one can ever release that would have justified the war. Oh, and rather that use his WMD's to defend him country from attack, he shipped them all off to Syria.
Bartimaeus - September 19, 2009, 12:12 am,
A man needs an exit pulling out. Waka! Waka! Waka! A good raq will snare a dude any day.
WTFO - September 19, 2009, 12:12 am,
BTW, I also agree that a CIA agent's identity should not be disclosed. But the reason it happened is still unknown.
Sean - September 19, 2009, 12:13 am,
Maybe I don't know what the word "lies" means either, since I am more than prepared to concede that the Bush admin really believed what it heard or saw. More's the pity really.
Sean - September 19, 2009, 12:14 am,
Unkown by whom?
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